they have a library at my uni equiped with wireless. There are 2 acces
one is free access but i can t log on the net.. and the other one is locked with a wep key..
so i was wondering if there is any way to find that key or any alternative ways to connect to the net..
And about the first one. if i can connect to their network but how can i get the internet settings ?
thanks you guys
PS: groovy if you think this post involves cracking and you don t like it.. please feel free to delete it. thanks
they have a library at my uni equiped with wireless. There are 2 acces
one is free access but i can t log on the net.. and the other one is locked with a wep key..
so i was wondering if there is any way to find that key or any alternative ways to connect to the net..
And about the first one. if i can connect to their network but how can i get the internet settings ?
thanks you guys
PS: groovy if you think this post involves cracking and you don t like it.. please feel free to delete it. thanks
Yes, it’s possible to do, it’s not even that difficult, but I won’t explain how…you can do a search and find it pretty easily. Before you do it, however, you should realize that you most likely will be caught and at most schools this is a violation of their Fair Use policy and you can be kicked out or removed from the network entirely…it may not be worth it.
[quote author=“Thom”]i actually don t wanna mess in their files at all i just wanna be able to surf the net from my tr while taking a break from hard work.. :D
the available computers at the library are only for “book searching” in their database. They don t like people checking their mails and stuff..
can they realy notice (or locate) that easily someone that logged on their wireless network ?
tks
Yes, and not only that, but depending on who is running the network they can tell everything you did, even what you typed. Data is going through their network, they can capture it and analyze it.
in other words big brother will be watching me…
I guess the only solution for me is to use my mobile gprs connection but it s so damn slow… it s like 56kbps and i can t download nothing
You could ask someone if the unprotected WAP should be accessible and if so, if there are any special settings you would need to get to the internet.
You could also find out if they allow access through the WEP protected access point. They may just have it protected to keep people from using it from outside the building.
the thing i did not mentioned.. :oops:
is that it aint a student network…but the computer deparment is located right next to the philo library… so it s their own netwerk i doubt they would let me in that easily..
the thing that bugs me is that a few months ago i saw someone ( not from the computer dept.) surfing the net with his wiffi card… and according to his words he only open an IE windos ( i m sure he didn t crack any wep key.. not the profile for it)
so you understand now why i m kind of frustrated..
[quote author=“Anonymous”]lol, take what Tif says with a grain of salt, he’s misdirecting you using “scare tactics” & not explaining the whole picture. he is right, they can monitor everything you do while on their network, but just dont do anything revealing, like checking your email, logging into IM, visiting your own website, etc. just do very basic tasks. there is only 1 ACTUAL way they can know it’s “you” on their network, and that’s if their router logs MAC address’s that connect to the network. then they would have to physically access your notebook to find it’s MAC address (which means they would have to know its you to begin with).
Tif also gave you another misdirection by telling you its easy to crack a network. while technically it is easy, he forgot to mention how incredibly time consuming it can be (depending on the amount of traffic that network generates). and if you do crack their WEP eventually, if they use MAC filtering you will have to spoof your MAC.
Just don’t do anything revealing? So basically he can go on yahoo but not much else? I am not sure I’d give that advice out to someone, unless you want them to get in trouble…it’s almost like saying, hey, steal a car, but don’t speed, you most likely won’t get caught.
Most secure networks log MACs.
A busy network (a school network is always busy) can be cracked in no time at all. Unless you are using Dynamic WEP, I think the last time I heard was under 15 minutes on a high data network…
Basically, it is possible, its not difficult (even if it takes hours, you can try over several days), and it is very easy to be caught…and a network admin can see exactly what your doing, err, excuse me, just don’t do anything ‘revealing’.
[quote author=“Anonymous”]“Just don’t do anything revealing? So basically he can go on yahoo but not much else? I am not sure I’d give that advice out to someone, unless you want them to get in trouble…it’s almost like saying, hey, steal a car, but don’t speed, you most likely won’t get caught. “
theres still plenty of things he can do online that arnt revealing (under this defenition). just dont do anything stupid like log into email accounts, IM accounts, obvious things.
“Most secure networks log MACs.”
doesnt really matter, only way they can find out your MAC is by getting physical access to your laptop. have you ever heard of a “throw down wifi card”? if they ever do catch onto you, ditch the card. follows the same principle as why cops carry throw down guns. dont use internal mini-PCI wifi cards when getting access to a locked network.
“A busy network (a school network is always busy) can be cracked in no time at all. Unless you are using Dynamic WEP, I think the last time I heard was under 15 minutes on a high data network… “
WEP being cracked in 15 minutes is more of a controlled-scenario-possibility than anything that is done in real life on real networks. your looking at a few hours minimum, and most corporate type networks rotate their keys several times an hour (if they havent moved onto WPA yet).
What you are saying is true…but now you want him to buy an external WiFi card (external meaning PC-Card)?
[quote author=“Anonymous”]actually i agree with you on that, its to much pain to even bother. cracking wifi networks is such a tedious, annoying, bothersome, task that it isnt even worth it. especially if you just walk a couple hundred feet and find a wide open WAP.
Have you actually inquired? Most libraries provide computers and wifi access to allow access to the web. They may block or monitor questionable content but consider access to the internet as part of thier mandate. Many colleges and universities have campus-wide networks, both wired and wireless.
second of all… following your good advice.. i went to ,pretty much, all the computers departments (one in every building ) to ask them about wireless. And i found out.. the buildings who do have wiffi lock the mac address..
They just wanna be sure the laptops with a given access are up ot date (security, and virus). About my fav library the guy wasn t there but i got an email address (where i m sending a mail tonight) they apparently have wiffi open access for student ( i ll see they ll probably also ask for my MAC)
so conclusion… no need to crack the wep key.. they might as well give it to me :drool:
Second this (wondering if that even worth a new post)
TIP to everybody (at least everybody who still at uni)
I found a nice technician guy who keeps every single defect laptop/desktop as a matter of fact i got in the past months 3 vaios…
The best point of the story is that i give the pieces away.. he told me.. if i can help students or teachers it s pleasure…
He told me i was 2weeks to late to get the HDD of the vaio (damn :( ) but he gave me a 6giga 2"5 HDD i know it s nothing but i have no the mp3 HDD i was looking for :wink:
So to you all… if you have time to loose go ask the computers technician if they don t give things away.. you might be very surprised
let us know how it worked out for you..
“The folks at TinyPEAP released a cracking tool to break Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) keys. WPA is the replacement for weak WEP keys in the original 802.11b specification. Robert Moskowitz of ICSA Labs released a paper almost exactly a year ago documenting how WPA keys that were short and lacked randomnness could be subject to cracks. This tool automates the process. Moskowitz advised choosing passphrases of more than 20 characters or generating random keys of at least 96 bits, but preferably 128 bits. Some tools exist to produce better keys, including chipmaker Broadcom’s SecureEZSetup (in selected hardware) and Buffalo Technologies’ hardware-based AOSS for automatic key generation and propagation. Enterprise-based WPA with 802.1X doesn’t have this weakness: each user gets a long WPA key that’s randomly generated and uniquely assigned—and can be frequently changed during a session.”
) to ask them about wireless. And i found out.. the buildings who do have wiffi lock the mac address.. 
